2024 U.S. OLYMPIC TRIALS
- June 15-23, 2024
- Lucas Oil Stadium — Indianapolis, IN
- LCM (50 Meters)
- Meet Central
- Live Results
With the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials coming to a close on Sunday night, it’s time for SwimSwam to hand out some electronic hardware to the swimmers who stood out over nine days of racing at Lucas Oil Stadium.
MALE SWIMMER OF THE MEET: CHRIS GUILIANO
Chris Guiliano came into the meet as one of the favorites to qualify for the Olympic team, either individually in the men’s 100 freestyle or at least a berth on the 400 free relay. As it turned out, the 21-year-old was severely underestimated.
Guiliano kicked things off with a surprise in the 200 free, qualifying for Paris individually after placing 2nd to Luke Hobson (1:44.87) in a lifetime best of 1:45.38, doing so from Lane 1 after he snuck into the final in 7th.
Guiliano then set a personal best of 47.25 in the 100 free semis, claiming the top seed for the final after Jack Alexy scorched a 47.08 U.S. Open Record in the heats. When the chips were down in the final, Guiliano came through under pressure, winning the 100 free in 47.38 over Alexy (47.47) after the two men were dead even at the turn in 22.51.
Despite having qualified for two individual events at the Games, Guiliano wasn’t satisfied heading into the 50 free, as the Notre Dame standout broke 22 seconds for the first time in the prelims (21.83), set another PB of 21.59 to qualify 1st out of the semis, and then landed the second individual slot in Paris behind Caeleb Dressel (21.41) after clocking 21.69 in the final, finishing .01 clear of Matt King.
Guiliano’s performance at Trials made him the first American male since Matt Biondi in 1988 to qualify for the Olympics in the 50, 100 and 200 free.
Honorable Mentions:
- Caeleb Dressel – After he was well short of qualifying for the World Championship team last summer after his extended hiatus from the sport, Dressel showed the best form we’ve seen from him in at least two years in Indianapolis. He won the 50 free (21.41) and 100 fly (50.19) to earn the opportunity to defend two of his Olympic titles in Paris, and although he missed out on that chance in the 100 free, he still had an impressive showing to place 3rd in 47.53.
- Bobby Finke – Finke’s place atop the men’s 800 and 1500 free was never in doubt coming into the meet, and that proved to be the case although he had to fend off rising star Luke Whitlock in the 800 free, clocking 7:44.22 to Whitlock’s 7:45.19. Finke closed out the competition by dominating the 1500 free, setting a new U.S. Open Record of 14:40.28, and he also set a lifetime best of 3:46.27 to place 4th in the 400 free.
- Ryan Murphy – Like Finke, Murphy was the favorite to win the men’s 100 and 200 back, and he came away with victories in those races despite having a real battle in the one event many thought would be a landslide. Murphy was expected to go toe-to-toe with Hunter Armstrong in the 100 back, but he ended up making it look relatively easy with a 52.22 clocking in the final for a half-second victory. In the 200 back, Murphy found himself in a fight with Keaton Jones and Jack Aikins for the win, and when pressed, Murphy came through with the victory in 1:54.33, his fastest swim in three years.
- Carson Foster – Foster exorcised his demons on the second night of racing in the men’s 400 IM, winning the event going away to qualify for his first Olympic team with the third-fastest swim of his career: 4:07.64. The performance came under heavy pressure given what happened to Foster at the 2021 Trials. He followed up by winning the 200 IM in 1:55.65, a new personal best.
FEMALE SWIMMER OF THE MEET: REGAN SMITH
Regan Smith had a bullet-proof confidence about her all week at the Olympic Trials, and it was on full display in the pool as she won three events and came close in a fourth.
Smith kicked the meet off by producing one of the fastest swims in history in the women’s 100 fly, clocking 55.62 to place 3rd behind the new world record holder Gretchen Walsh (55.31) and Torri Huske (55.52). Despite Smith missing a spot on the Olympic team early in the meet, it only fueled her performances for the rest of the competition.
The 22-year-old was flawless through the three rounds of the 100 back, going an easy-looking sub-58 in the prelims (57.93), breaking her American Record in the semis (57.47) and then topping things off by breaking the world record in the final, touching in 57.13 to crack Kaylee McKeown‘s mark of 57.33 set last October.
Smith continued to churn out elite swims down the back half of the meet, setting a National Championship Record in the 200 fly semis (2:04.91) before winning the final the next night (2:05.70) and then tackling the 200 back semis later that same session.
Smith finished the job by winning the 200 back by over a second in 2:05.16, giving her three individual entries in Paris. The 200 back win had extra meaning for Smith after she was 3rd at the 2021 Trials, missing out on the chance to swim the event in Tokyo as the world record holder.
Honorable Mentions:
- Katie Ledecky – Ledecky did her thing in Indianapolis, handily sweeping the women’s 200, 400, 800 and 1500 free. The now four-time Olympian set a new National Championship Record in the 400 free (3:58.35), and was significantly faster in that event and the 1500 free compared to the 2021 Trials.
- Kate Douglass – Douglass had to wait around until Day 4 to start racing, but once she hit the water she was unbeatable. Douglass rocketed to wins in the women’s 100 free (52.56), 200 breast (2:19.46) and 200 IM (2:06.79), setting a new U.S. Open Record in the latter and adding a National Championship Record in the 200 breast. Her swims in the 100 free and 200 IM were also new personal bests.
- Gretchen Walsh – Walsh may have only won one event in Indianapolis, but no swim in Lucas Oil Stadium sent more shockwaves around the globe than her world record performance in the semis of the women’s 100 fly (55.18). She followed up by winning the event the next night with the second-fastest swim ever (55.31), and went on to make the team in a second individual event with her impressive runner-up finish to Simone Manuel in the 50 free, clocking 24.15 in the final after firing off a lifetime best of 24.06 in the semis. Walsh also set a PB in the 100 free, taking 3rd in 53.13 to qualify for the relay in Paris.
MALE PERFORMANCE OF THE MEET: MATT FALLON, 200 BREAST
The lone American Record set on the men’s side, Matt Fallon‘s performance in the 200 breaststroke was three years in the making after he placed 8th at the 2021 Trials despite coming in as the top seed out of the semis.
This time, Fallon was the top seed again, but didn’t flinch in the final as he turned 3rd at the 100 in 1:01.50 and then blew away the field on the back half, closing with a pair of 32.5 splits to register a time of 2:06.54.
That showing annihilated the American Record of 2:07.17, set by Josh Prenot at the 2016 Olympic Trials, and marked the 8th-fastest swim in history and made Fallon the 5th-fastest performer of all-time.
All-Time Performers, Men’s 200 Breaststroke (LCM)
- Qin Haiyang (CHN), 2:05.48 – 2023
- Zac Stubblety-Cook (AUS), 2:05.95 – 2022
- Anton Chupkov (RUS), 2:06.12 – 2019
- Shoma Sato (JPN), 2:06.40 – 2021
- Matt Fallon (USA), 2:06.54 – 2024
The swim marked the second straight best time for Fallon, who lowered his previous PB of 2:07.71 with a 2:07.39 clocking in the semi-finals.
Honorable Mention:
- Jack Alexy, 100 free – It wasn’t in the final, or even during an evening session, so its place on this list is debatable, but Alexy dropped a stunner in the prelims of the men’s 100 free, coming within a tenth of joining the elusive sub-47 club. Alexy clocked 47.08, breaking the U.S. Open Record by more than three-tenths and moving into a tie with Kyle Chalmers for #8 all-time in the event.
FEMALE PERFORMANCE OF THE MEET: GRETCHEN WALSH, 100 FLY
Gretchen Walsh sent Lucas Oil Stadium into a frenzy during the opening night of competition, rocketing to a new world record in the semi-finals of the women’s 100 fly.
After becoming the seventh woman in history to break 56 seconds in the prelims, Walsh shattered the world record in the semis, touching in 55.18 to knock three-tenths off the previous mark of 55.48 established by Sarah Sjostrom at the 2016 Olympics in Rio.
Walsh, who came into the meet with a personal best of 56.14, followed up her record-breaking performance by winning the final the next night in 55.31, the 2nd-fastest swim in history.
All-Time Performances, Women’s 100 Butterfly (LCM)
- Gretchen Walsh, United States — 55.18 (2024)
- Gretchen Walsh, United States — 55.31 (2024)
- Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden — 55.48 (2016)
- Torri Huske, United States — 55.52 (2024)
- Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden – 55.53 (2017)
Torri Huske (55.52) and Regan Smith (55.62) both went under what the American Record was prior to the meet, Huske’s 55.64, in what was an incredible three-way battle.
Huske’s swim moved her to #3 all-time, and Smith, despite tying for 5th-fastest ever, didn’t qualify for the Olympic team in the event.
All-Time Top Performers, Women’s 100 Butterfly (LCM):
- Gretchen Walsh, United States — 55.18 (2024)
- Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden — 55.48 (2016)
- Torri Huske, United States — 55.52 (2024)
- Maggie MacNeil, Canada — 55.59 (2021)
- Regan Smith, United States / Zhang Yufei, China — 55.62 (2024/2020)
Walsh’s long course performance in the 100 fly comes after she obliterated the NCAA, American and U.S. Open Records in the short course yards version of the event at the Women’s NCAA Championships in March, becoming the first swimmer under 48 seconds in a stunning 47.42.
Honorable Mention:
- Regan Smith, 100 back – It was clear Smith was on top-tier form after what she did in the 100 fly, and that showed up right away in the 100 back, as she made a sub-58 swim look way too easy in the prelims, clocking 57.93. She then lowered her American Record by four one-hundredths in the semis, touching in 57.47, and then blew away Kaylee McKeown‘s world record in the final, putting up a time of 57.13. Smith took two-tenths off McKeown’s mark of 57.33 set last October.
MALE JUNIOR SWIMMER OF THE MEET: THOMAS HEILMAN
Thomas Heilman backed up his breakout summer of 2023 by making history at his first Olympic Trials, becoming the youngest male U.S. Olympian since Michael Phelps in 2000.
Heilman, 17, won the 200 fly to solidify his spot in Paris on the fifth night of racing, recording the fastest closing 50 in the field to finish in 1:54.50—not a personal best, having been 1:53.82 at the 2023 World Championships, but good for the win.
Heilman then stepped up in a big way in final of the 100 fly.
He only qualified 11th out of the prelims in 52.30, and then advanced to the final in 7th, clocking 51.58 in the semis—notably with the slowest first 50 (25.02) and the fastest second 50 (26.56) of all 16 semi-finalists.
In the final, that back-half ability proved to be the difference maker for Heilman, as he turned 7th at the 50 in 24.23 before rocketing home in 26.57, edging out Dare Rose at the wall for the second spot in 50.80.
Rose was 3rd in 50.84, while Caeleb Dressel claimed victory in 50.19. Despite both of them closing fast—Dressel in 26.66, Rose in 26.74—Heilman came back faster.
Dressel | Heilman | Rose |
23.53 | 24.23 | 24.10 |
50.19 (26.66) | 50.80 (26.57) | 50.84 (26.74) |
Heilman’s swim also marked a new National Age Group Record for 17-18 boys, as he cracked Michael Phelps‘ 21-year-old mark of 51.10. When Phelps recorded that time in the semis at the 2003 World Championships, it was a new world record.
Honorable Mention:
- Luke Whitlock – Before Heilman made the team in the 200 fly, Whitlock briefly held the distinction of being the youngest male U.S. Olympian since 2000—though he had not yet officially qualified—after he had a standout showing in the 800 free. Whitlock, 18, broke the 17-18 NAG record by nearly three seconds in 7:45.19, downing Larsen Jensen‘s mark of 7:48.09 from 2003, to place 2nd to Bobby Finke (7:44.22) as he gave the defending Olympic champion a real battle. That performance from Whitlock came after he impressed in the 400 free, moving to #2 all-time for 17-18 boys in the prelims in a PB of 3:46.42, qualifying 1st, before placing 5th in the final in 3:46.55. Whitlock closed the meet out by nearly adding a second event to his Paris schedule, placing 3rd in the 1500 free in 14:53.00, a massive best time to move him to #3 all-time in the 17-18 age group. He was well back of David Johnston with 50 meters to go, but closed in a blazing 27.74 to make it close, ultimately finishing 26 one-hundredths back.
FEMALE JUNIOR SWIMMER OF THE MEET: ALEX SHACKELL
Alex Shackell and her coaches at Carmel Swim Club made the difficult decision to withdraw from the final of the women’s 100 fly despite her showing career-best form, bringing her PB down from 57.22 to 57.07 in the heats, and then breaking 57 seconds for the first time in the semis in 56.78.
That swim moved Shackell to #3 all-time in the girls’ 17-18 age group, and it also seeded her 4th for the 100 fly final. However, with Walsh, Huske and Smith all under 56 seconds in the semis, Shackell didn’t have a clear path to Olympic qualification in the event, but she did in the 200 free.
Rather than tackling the 100 fly final/200 free semi double on Sunday night, Shackell put all her eggs in the 200 free basket and it paid off, as she advanced to the final in 6th (1:57.42) and then finished in the same position the next night, setting a new personal best of 1:57.05 to all but solidify her spot in Paris. The swim also moved her to #8 all-time for 17-18 girls.
With Olympic qualification secured, the 17-year-old was freed up to let it rip in her best event, the 200 fly, and she did just that. Shackell cracked 2:07 for the first time in the prelims (2:06.71), broke Smith’s NAG record in the semis (2:06.10), and then placed 2nd to Smith in the final (2:06.69), giving her an individual entry in Paris.
In qualifying for the Games, Shackell joined her older brother, Aaron Shackell, on the team after he won the men’s 400 free on the opening night of competition.
Honorable Mention:
- Audrey Derivaux – Junior-aged swimmers Katie Grimes and Claire Weinstein qualified for the Olympic team, but that was expected. One swimmer who really made an impact in Indianapolis, receiving some of the biggest cheers from the crowd at Lucas Oil Stadium, was Audrey Derivaux, the 14-year-old Jersey Wahoos product who made the final of the women’s 400 IM. Derivaux clocked a time of 4:45.23 in the prelims, landing a spot in the final in 8th and moving to #7 all-time in the girls’ 13-14 age group. After racing the 100 back later in that prelim session, she went on to place 8th in the 400 IM final (4:46.89), and she also made semis in the 200 back (2:09.80) and 200 fly (2:09.83), placing 10th in both and moving to #4 and #3 all-time in the age group, respectively. At the beginning of the meet, she tied for 24th in the 100 fly in 59.25, also ranking #3 in the 13-14 age group. On top of all of these races, she also placed 23rd in the 200 IM, within a half-second of her best time in 2:16.05.
TEAM OF THE MEET: CALIFORNIA AQUATICS
Cal and head coach Dave Durden put six swimmers on the Olympic team:
- Ryan Murphy – men’s 100/200 back
- Hunter Armstrong* – men’s 100 back, 400 free relay
- Keaton Jones – men’s 200 back
- Jack Alexy – men’s 100 free
- Brooks Curry – men’s 800 free relay
- Abbey Weitzeil – women’s 400 free relay
*Armstrong represented the New York Athletic Club (NYAC) at the competition but trains in Berkeley.
Murphy had his fastest swim in the 200 back in three years to secure the victory, Armstrong showed incredible form with three sub-48 swims in the 100 free, and Jones unearthed a monstrous best time to snag 2nd to Murphy in the 200 back in 1:54.61.
Alexy’s performance in the 100 free prelims was one of the swims of the meet, as his 47.08 clocking moved him to #8 all-time.
On top of the Olympic qualifiers, a number of other Cal swimmers stood out with finals appearances:
- Liam Bell – 4th, men’s 100 breast
- Luke Rodarte – 7th, men’s 100 breast
- Destin Lasco – 7th, men’s 100 free
- Dare Rose – 3rd, men’s 100 fly / 4th, men’s 200 fly
- Colby Mefford – 5th, men’s 200 fly
- Isabelle Stadden – 7th, women’s 200 back
Honorable Mentions:
- Longhorn Aquatics – The Longhorn Aquatics squad is a mixed bag with the established group in Austin recently having been joined by Bob Bowman‘s swimmers from Arizona State, but we can’t ignore how several of the swimmers now based at Texas performed well. Regan Smith, Simone Manuel, Paige Madden, Drew Kibler and Chase Kalisz were among the standouts from Bowman’s crew, while Texas mainstays training under Eddie Reese and Carol Capitani made the Olympic team in the form of Luke Hobson, Carson Foster, Shaine Casas and Erin Gemmell, while names such as Jake Foster, Will Modglin, Kelly Pash, Lydia Jacoby, Will Modglin, Jillian Cox, Leah Smith, Emma Sticklen and Will Licon had strong performances and made finals.
- Cavalier Aquatics – Not all of the swimmers training out of the University of Virginia represent Cavalier Aquatics, but that doesn’t take away from the performances the Charlottesville squad produced in Indianapolis under the guidance of Todd DeSorbo, the head women’s coach at the Olympics. Gretchen Walsh broke the 100 fly world record and qualified for two individual events and one relay in Paris, Kate Douglass went three-for-three with a pair of lifetime best times, Alex Walsh landed her second straight Olympic berth in the 200 IM and came close to qualifying in the 200 breast, and Emma Weber broke through to make the team in the 100 breast. The women also had Ella Nelson and Anna Keating make the final of the 200 breast, and Maxine Parker did the same in the 50 free. Noah Nichols was a finalist in the men’s 100 breast, August Lamb was 10th in the men’s 50 free, and David King won a swim-off for first alternate after the prelims in the men’s 100 back, and then took 9th in the 200 back. Also repping Cavalier Aquatics was Thomas Heilman, who as previously noted earlier in the article, won the 200 fly and also qualified for the Olympics with a new 17-18 NAG record int he 100 fly.
Correction: at 2003 WC, MP broke WR in semis with a 51.47; in finals he finished 2nd in 51.10 to the 50.98 WR by Crocker.
Ahem!
Paige Madden, Simone Manuel, Regan Smith spent the vast majority of time training with Bob Bowman at Arizona State University. To give credit to Longhorn Aquatics (especially for a last minute move) is completely disingenuous.
that’s why they listed that long ass list of swimmers who have been training at Texas since before Bowman
It should be three separate lists:
Bob Bowman – Arizona State University
Eddie Reese – University of Texas men
Carol Capitani – University of Texas women
Carol Capitani receives a failing grade for the debacle that was the University of Texas women’s swimming program at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials.
Debacle? You mean Gemmell making her first Olympic team, Sticklen dropping time to contend for a 200 fly spot, Kern making it to semis with a nice drop, Bray swimming pretty well considering she has foot surgery scheduled next week, Smith swimming amazingly well given she tore her labrum in January, and most of the rest right around their times.
Maybe we should talk about the performance of UVA other than their big names. Howley, Gormsen, Curzan, and Parker all crashed and burned badly.
First of all Gemmell went faster last summer when she made World team while still in HS! Secondly, Capitani inherited 3 Olympians (Lydia, Erica, and Leah) individual medalists, 2 of which were still in HS at the time FAIL to make the team 3 years later. All 3 getting slower each year!
Has a coach ever been appointed to the Olympic staff after only one relay only swimmer, who went faster last year? Ever? NO, NEVER!
Carol Capitani recently dispatched two female swimmers into early retirement (Luther, Sullivan) during the month of June.
The hits keep on coming.
In fairness, Capitani did put someone on the German Olympic Team who has gotten faster.
Erin Gemmell swam faster in the women’s 200 meter freestyle at the 2023 Phillips 66 National Championships than at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials. Erin Gemmell swam faster in the women’s 200 meter freestyle at the 2023 World Aquatics Championships than at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials.
A 17 year old whippersnapper from the Carmel Swim Club took out the entire vaunted University of Texas women’s butterfly crew (Luther, Pash, Sticklen, Bray) in the women’s 100 meter butterfly and the women’s 200 meter butterfly. So much for the results from the 2024 NCAA Division I Women’s Swimming & Diving Championships.
The University of Viginia female swimmer Emma Weber outperformed the University of Texas female swimmer Lydia… Read more »
Your overt hatred of Capitani is more than over the top. She refuse to recruit your kid or something?
The truth hurts.
At the current pace, Carol Capitani is sending Lydia Jacoby down the road to ruin as was the case with Erica Sullivan.
Parker made a final. Curzan made three finals. If we’re saying that Kern making it to semis, then Parker and Curzan making finals should be lauded. Curzan should have made the Olympic team in the 200 back, but died the last 15m.
Curzan was one of our best young members of the National Team until she went to UVA. What happened to her free and fly? I actually think her 2 back was a really gutsy swim given her previous two events. According to Relay Names, Gemmell making the team isn’t good enough but Curzan and Parker not making it is? I’m just pointing out his hypocrisy.
She only made it as a relay only swimmer in one of the slowest female events. If curzan got 3rd and Gemmell was 4th!
Let’s completely ignore Kate Douglass, Alex Walsh, Gretchen Walsh, Emma Weber but focus the attention on Claire Curzan and Maxine Parker. I can’t believe the crap I’m reading.
Last summer, Curzan was in the hospital until three days before Trials. That was all Stanford. In her first year at UVA, she won three world championships in backstroke. She did make the finals in the 100 fly this year, so it isn’t like her fly form disappeared. Looking at Swim Cloud, she swam her 7th fastest 50 LCM Free in November and she went her 6th fastest 100 LCM Free in January when she wasn’t tapered. Her free times aren’t bad, especially the non-tapered ones, but she hasn’t been swimming free a lot it seems.
Maxine Parker also got her PR in the 50 at Trials and her third fastest 100 at Trials, so I wouldn’t say that she… Read more »
You’re missing the big picture.
Olympic gold medalist Lydia Jacoby fails to qualify in the women’s 100 meter breaststroke. To make matters worse, Lydia Jacoby scratched the women’s 200 meter breaststroke, thus ending all hope for a spot on the USA Swimming women’s roster for the 2024 Summer Olympics.
Since when have Claire Curzan and Maxine Parker been Olympic gold medalists?
It’s just a matter of time before Leah Smith announces her retirement from swimming. Yet another casualty from Longhorn Aquatics coached by Carol Capitani.
She’s also in her upper 20s and tore a labrum this year. To make a final after tearing a labrum is impressive and I don’t really fault the coach when a swimmer in their late 20s retires. Bowman didn’t get a bunch of crap for Flickinger retiring. Outside of Regan and Madden, Bowman’s swimmers didn’t set the world on fire, but a lot are older (it feels weird to be calling someone younger than myself old especially when I’m not old) and near the end of their career. Simone and Chase did decent, but a lot of the rest either didn’t make a final or were towards the back of the field in a final.
Lindsay Looney had three main event PBs including a 3rd place 200 Fly, first time sub 2:00 200 Free, from :59hi to :59 low 100 Fly. She is an excellent swimmer and person. Please don’t skip over her so fully and easily.
Lindsay Looney, 3rd in 200 Fly with a PB 2:07.03, was part of that ASU/Texas mis-mash and deserves at least mention in the string of names.
Team of the meet, Andrew’s head exploded.
And the worst Swimswam commenter for the 2024 US Olympic Trials Award goes to RealCrocker5040
Female junior swimmer of the meet is Grimes, not sure how you can skip her.
Is the age cutoff 18 years old?
Hate the new layout Braden
Alex Shackell’s PB in the 200 free is from last year btw, 1:56.70 from nationals last summer
Worst Team of the Meet:
you guessed it… CAL
The bad:
Lasco
Jett
Dare Rose
Curry’s 100
Washedzeil
Trenton Julian
Stadden
Alexy still can’t dive into the pool with his legs together, and fell off through the rounds of 100 free
Hunter’s 100 back
The good:
Murphy
K Jones 200 back
Rodarte
Bell (tbf he was due for a huge drop but i didn’t expect a 59 low so props to Bell for making me eat my words)
Hunter’s 100 free
You’re too funny man, several of the swimmers in “the bad” made the olympic team lol
Notice how I said Curry’s 100 and not his 200, as he made the team in that event. It’s insane how he got worse in his best event going from LSU to Cal lol
Armstrong was .75 off his 100 back PB and still can’t do a consistent start, I’d say still a miss.
Weitzeil has fallen off since Bowe left for umich. 52.9->53.7
And it’s utterly maddening that no one on Cal’s supposedly genius staff (as their alum love to glaze Durden and company) seemed interested in fixing alexy’s age grouper start. Seriously it would take 15 minutes and shows the utter lack of care the cal staff have for their athletes
You’re really the worst, aren’t you?
He must have been denied a scholarship to the University of California, Berkeley.
Go Bears!
Armstrong’s one bad start was due to him slipping in the prelims. He says that he is not good at, and has never been good at, underwaters. He still managed to get second in his heat even with the slip. I’d say that would qualify as a good thing.