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Rio Hypothetical: Ryan Lochte Vs. Kosuke Hagino In 400 IM

There are two schools of thought on what we saw in tonight’s 400m IM final as it relates to how national record holder Kosuke Hagino performed at the Japanese Olympic Trials.

In the Japanese Olympic Trials final in Tokyo tonight, Hagino clocked the fastest 400m IM time in the world this season, a scorching 4:09.80,  but how much of an effort the athlete truly expended during the swim is a point of debate among enthusiasts looking for a heated battle between the 2012 Olympic bronze medalist in the event and his potential international rivals in Rio. One of those rivals potentially may be Ryan Lochte, the gold medalist from London’s Olympic Games.

For 21-year-old Hagino, his effort tonight is a tad hard to gauge since his elbow-injury-inducing incident right before the start of the 2015 World Championships rendered him out of that competition. As such, no one knows if we’ve seen a fully tapered Hagino since outside of his 4:07.61 Japanese National Record-setting swim in this same timeframe back in 2013 or his 4:07.88 outing at the 2014 Asian Games.

This year so far, Hagino did throw down a 4:09.06 at the Konami Cup, a mark which would have garnered him the silver medal in Kazan, so the man does own the world’s top 2 times so far this season as recent in-pool cred.

Still, some expected Hagino to drop even more time in Tokyo and dip into the 4:07 or even 4:06 territory as  a preview of what may come in Rio. The fact that Hagino didn’t delve into swifter territory gives some hope that, should 31-year-old Lochte choose to indeed swim the event at U.S. Trials, he would have a viable shot against the Japanese stud if both were to final in Brazil.

There’s no denying that Lochte has had mega-success with the 400m IM event over the years, which not only includes his 2012 Olympic gold, but also a bronze at the 2008 Games in Beijing, as well as the World Championship title he earned in 2011, clocking a 4:07.13 to lead the world’s best that year by over 4 seconds.

But, let’s not forget that the body of legendary Lochte has about 10 years of age on Hagino’s fresh 21-year-old frame, a factor that gets compounded in competing in such a grueling event as the 400 IM, especially in two sessions on the same day.

Lochte’s most recent swim in the event rendered the 4:12.66 result he clocked at the Arena Pro Swim Series in Austin in mid-January, a time he described as “hurting very badly.” The former Florida gator stud was visibly winded while getting out of the pool after that race, compared to Hagino who sprung up onto the deck after both his prelim and final swim in Tokyo today.

Hagino’s splits from today include a 59.94 closing 100 freestyle, which isn’t exactly head-turning and in fact comparable to Lochte’s closing 100 from his Austin outing (59.81). Intentional slow-down on the part of Hagino, or was that simply all the Japanese threat had left in the gank at that point?

You need only think back to Hagino’s closing 100 from his Asian Games’ performance, where he took things to another level, charging home in a final split of 55.75, which is actually faster than World Record Holder Michael Phelps’ final 100 when he set the mark in Beijing. Phelps’ 100 free split was a 56.79, pointing to the fact that Hagino can turn it on at the end of the race at a time when Lochte may just be holding on.

After his perforance in Tokyo tonight, Hagino said in an interview that he “let a lot of people down last year through my own fault,” speaking about his missing out on Kazan. “I have to work hard to make it up to everyone.”

A final comment may send shivers through would-be 400m IM challengers’, however, as Hagino concluded, “I’m not happy with that time but I’ve qualified for the Olympics and I’ll look to get some revenge by swimming faster in Rio.”

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skipper
8 years ago

Dear Ryan, please focus on your other events/relays- let the 400im go as a step to doing the other events better

sven
8 years ago

Hagino has a knack for throwing down nasty times in season, but doesn’t historically go too much faster at big meets. Lochte, on the other hand, seems to feel the fatigue a bit more in season, but goes much faster at the big meets. I’m not making a prediction one way or another, that’s just a trend that I, and many other people, have noticed.

This is going to be a very close event. Either one could win gold, or you could have Kalisz/Licon/Seto/Clary/etc. take the top of the podium, depending on who swims it in Rio (several of the guys who could be medal contenders in this event are from the U.S., so if Lochte makes the team at… Read more »

Irish Ringer
8 years ago

I could see Lochte swimming it because I think he only books an individual event in the 200IM and the 400IM is his next best chance at a multi-event lineup. There’s always the 200FR, but that’s a wide open race and I think all Lochte has in him is a 1:45 low at best. I hope the US can put up two swimmers in the 1:44 range, but it’s a relatively weak event for the US at this point, so that’s another good possibility.

I don’t think the 4:03 is in jeopardy this Olympic cycle. Hagino isn’t likely to drop 5 seconds between now and Rio.

Marmot
8 years ago

Wharton also got silver in ’88 and traded world records with Darnyi. The USA has quite a history in that event indeed.

tea rex
8 years ago

Lochte is great, but I believe with the depth of (mostly young) American talent – Tyler Clary, Prenot, Kalisz, Bentz, Licon, etc… at least one of those guys could be expected to break out this summer.

The US has quite a streak in the Olympic 400 IM: Phelps’ 4th place finish in London was the first American not to medal in this event since 1992!

2012: GOLD – Lochte, 4th – Phelps
2008: GOLD – Phelps, BRONZE – Lochte
2004: GOLD – Phelps, SILVER – Vendt
2000: GOLD – Dolan, SILVER – Vendt
1996: GOLD – Dolan, SILVER – Namesnik
1992: SILVER – Namesnik, 4th – Wharton

rjcid
8 years ago

I trust a fully built, MAN at 31 yrs old, vs a baby frame at 21. Physically, I don’t think we can argue for Hagino vs Lochte in that department. I DO think that RL, if he swims it, will be at his WR time.

Let’s not over look the bridesmaid of the event… Lazlo Chesh!! That guy has been chasing Gold in 4IM for 3 olympics now…. His recent gains have been formidable and shouldn’t be ignored.

I think it will be RJ, CHesh, Hagino, in that order. all 407 and under.

MTK
Reply to  rjcid
8 years ago

But what evidence is there that Cseh will even swim it? He’s basically dropped it since the 2009 Worlds. Only swam it a few times since then, and hasn’t been under 4:10 since 2009.

I think he’s 100fly-200fly and MAYBE 200 IM now.

Dunc1952
Reply to  rjcid
8 years ago

“I DO think that RL, if he swims it, will be at his WR time.”
RL does not hold “…WR time.” Phelps does.

Dunc1952
Reply to  Dunc1952
8 years ago

MTK got a comment in when I wasn’t looking! I was actually responding to RJCID who improperly attributed world record to Lochte.

sven
Reply to  Dunc1952
8 years ago

Well, he does have the textile WR. This is only tangentially related, but I want to contend that Lochte’s 4:05.1 in a jammer is more impressive than Phelps’ 4:03.8 in a supersuit. To me, the advantages of full leg compression and polyurethane panels, over the course of a 400, would make up for that relatively small 1.3 second difference. Put 2012 Lochte against 2008 Phelps in the same suit and I say 2012 Lochte wins.

oli993
Reply to  sven
8 years ago

No way! Phelps did not wear a full body suit when swimming his WR, just long trousers. And don’t forget the GOAT’s abilities in a lane-2-lane dogfight.

ERVINFORTHEWIN
Reply to  rjcid
8 years ago

LOL

Tm
8 years ago

Rio will be the first time in 16 yrs that neither MP nor lochte will be representing the us in the 400 IM.

hswimmer
Reply to  Tm
8 years ago

You don’t know that yet…

BKP
8 years ago

I think Hagino was hiding his cards a little on the finals swim. However, I only saw the results (not the race), and my guess is that he probably saw that he had a big lead going into the free and shut it down.

I think Hagino is the favorite for gold…but I’m no going to count Lochte out yet. He would definitely need a body length on Hagino going into the free to pull it off.

ML
Reply to  BKP
8 years ago

I expect Lochte is taking a new look at the 200 Free now that Agnel is out. Anybody who can break 1:45 has a chance at gold. If Phelps didn’t have such a monster matchup against Le Clos in the 200 fly, I bet he’d be considering the 200 Free too.

MTK
Reply to  ML
8 years ago

I’d bet that Lochte was already planning on the 200free. 200 free and 200IM are the two events he’s been swimming a lot in the past 4 years. 400IM is a maybe, 200 back is doubtful due to how his schedule would work out (200IM and back double again, which he is probably looking to avoid this time). And I don’t see him contending for a spot in 100free (relay only probably), 100 back (won’t swim it), or 100 fly (won’t beat Phelps/Conger/Shields).

It’s pretty much 200free-200IM and MAYBE 400IM the way I see it. And relay-wise probably prelims of the 4x100fr and finals of the 4x200fr.

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