Each summer, college swimming fans look forward to recruiting – the lifeblood of any NCAA swim program. Since 2012, we’ve been ranking down the top NCAA prospects in the nation from each recruiting class. But sports are inherently unpredictable, and even the most sure-fire prospect can go awry or completely change their role over four years.
As we do each year, we’ll look back at the high school class of 2017, which just finished four years of college eligibility this spring.
First, a few notes:
- Most of the data we’re tracking here deals with NCAA scoring. Obviously, some swimmers are great assets for their teams in dual meets and conference competition without ever being national factors. While we don’t discount the impact of those types of swimmers, the difference in competition between various teams’ dual meet schedules and conference meets makes NCAA scoring the best “apples to apples” comparisons between swimmers.
- Relays are another point of contention, as a swimmer in a strong program has more opportunity for NCAA relays, though they also have more competition for those relay spots. We’ve left relay results out of the data below, except where specifically indicated. That, too, gives us a more fair comparison between athletes.
- We don’t rank diving recruits, but we have started to track individual diving scoring, which is helpful in determining how much of an impact a diver is likely to have on NCAA finish.
- We did our best to scour NCAA results over the past four-plus years, but it’s certainly possible we made a mistake in compiling our data. If you spot an error, please respectfully let us know in the comment section so we can update our work!
2021 Note: Between last year’s canceled NCAA meet, the resulting added eligibility for athletes, and the number of entire programs and conferences taking redshirt seasons for 2021, some of these athletes may have years of scoring still to come, and there are some continuing discussions on which classes each athlete belongs in, particularly with international athletes.
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We only include domestic recruits in our recruit rankings, as it’s often harder to predict if and when an international recruit will join the NCAA, and which class they should be ranked with. However, we’ve gone back through and tallied up all individual scorers that roughly fit into this class – international and domestic.
REVISITING OUR TOP 20
Check out this post for our analysis of the top 20 recruits in the high school class of 2017. Bear in mind that this was posted in July of 2016, when these swimmers were high school juniors, and looks much different with the benefit of hindsight.
Here’s a look at our top 10 recruits, plus how many individual points they scored at NCAAs in each of their four years:
Rank | Name | College Team | Total NCAA Points | 2018 NCAA Points | 2019 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Points | 2021 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Psych Sheet Points |
1 | Courtney Harnish | Georgia | 44 | 7 | 15 | — | 22 | 38 |
2 | Sierra Schmidt | Michigan | 57 | 9 | 17 | — | 31 | 21 |
3 | Margaret Aroesty | USC | 9 | 9 | 0 | — | no invite | |
4 | Brooke Forde | Stanford | 104 | 21 | 43 | — | 40 | 42 |
5 | Nikol Popov | Tennessee | 3 | no invite | 3 | — | 0 | |
6 | Lauren Pitzer | Stanford | 23 | 1 | 22 | — | no invite | 5 |
7 | Ashlyn Schoof | Louisville | 0 | 0 | no invite | — | no invite | no invite |
8 | Hannah Kukurugya | Stanford | 0 | 0 | 0 | — | 0 | |
9 | Taylor Pike | Texas A&M | 25.5 | 5 | 6 | — | 14.5 | 1 |
10 | Grace Zhao | Stanford | 7 | 5 | 2 | — | no invite | no invite |
11 | Victoria Edwards | Texas | 0 | no invite | no invite | — | no invite | no invite |
12 | Ashley Volpenhein | Stanford | 0 | no invite | no invite | — | no invite | no invite |
13 | Marta Ciesla | USC | 0 | 0 | 0 | — | no invite | 3 |
14 | Caitlin Tycz | USC | 0 | 0 | 0 | — | no invite | no invite |
15 | Alexis Margett | Michigan | 0 | no invite | no invite | — | no invite | no invite |
16 | Anna Belousova | Texas A&M | 45 | 27 | 18 | — | — | |
17 | Taylor Ault | Florida | 0 | 0 | 0 | — | 0 | |
18 | Paige Madden | Virginia | 98 | 0 | 38 | — | 60 | 44 |
19 | Joy Field | Texas A&M | 0 | no invite | 0 | — | no invite | |
20 | Regan Barney | Princeton | 0 | no invite | no invite | — | no invite | no invite |
The hits:
- This was the last class before we started doing senior-year re-ranks. And Brooke Forde was arguably one of the reasons we added that layer to our recruiting coverage. Between our junior ranks and the end of her senior year, Forde dropped from 4:07.4 to 4:02.5 in the 400 IM and 1:57.8 to 1:55.5 in the 200 IM. She wound up the #1 scorer in the entire class, and also won 3 individual and 2 relay titles at NCAAs.
- Schmidt and Harnish both had very good careers at the top, scoring in all three of their NCAA meets.
- Paige Madden had a chance to challenge Forde for the top scoring spot. She clearly developed over her career, going from 0 freshman points to 38 sophomore points to 60 senior points. She was seeded to score 44 in the canceled 2020 meet, two more than Forde.
- Texas A&M’s Anna Belousova was another big hit, scoring 45 points in just two NCAA meets. She wasn’t planning to swim 2020 NCAAs and hasn’t registered a swim since.
The misses:
- Two of our top 10 didn’t score any NCAA points. Ashlyn Schoof only earned an NCAA invite as a freshman, though she did lead off a scoring 200 medley relay for Louisville this year as a relay-only swimmer.
- Hannah Kukurugya earned an NCAA invite in all four of her seasons, but was scratched from the roster as a sophomore to help Stanford get under the NCAA roster cap. She came quite close to scoring in the 200 fly with finishes of 18th and 21st.
- Quite a few in our 11-20 group went without an individual NCAA invite. But all still had an impact at the conference level – Edwards placed at Big 12s as a freshman. Volpenhein was a four-year Pac-12 scorer on a very good Stanford team. Margett was a three-year Big Ten scorer. Field was an SEC scorer and one-time NCAA invitee. Barney was a two-time Ivy League champ in the 400 IM.
OTHER IMPACTFUL RECRUITS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITING CLASS OF 2016
Of course, not every contributor comes from our top 20 list. Some swimmers develop extremely well in college. Some swimmers slip under our radar, or don’t really show their ability until their senior year of high school, after our rankings come out.
We dug through NCAA results to find the best American swimmers from this class to not appear on our top 10 list. Again, it’s not always easy to account for redshirt years, gap years or mistakes in an athlete’s listed class each season. So if we forgot anyone, respectfully let us know in the comments.
Name | College Team | Total NCAA Points | 2018 NCAA Points | 2019 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Points | 2021 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Psych Sheet Points |
Evie Pfeifer | Texas | 87.5 | 23.5 | 16 | — | 48 | 1 |
Bailey Bonnett | Kentucky | 35 | 14 | 14 | — | 7 | 9 |
Kate Moore | NC State | 29 | 2 | — | 27 | 15 | |
Kristen Romano | Ohio State | 27 | 7 | 0 | — | 20 | |
Sarah Thompson | Missouri | 23 | — | 23 | 26 | ||
Camryn Toney | Texas A&M | 19 | — | 19 | |||
Maddie Smith | Northwestern | 18 | — | 18 | |||
Julia Poole | NC State | 16 | 3 | — | 13 | 5 | |
Katie Trace | Ohio State | 16 | 3 | — | 13 | ||
Josie Grote | Indiana | 15 | — | 15 | |||
Sophie Angus | Northwestern | 11 | — | 11 | 6 | ||
Caroline Gmelich | Virginia | 11 | — | 11 | 3 | ||
Autumn Haebig | Nebraska | 11 | — | 11 | |||
Emma Nordin | Arizona State | 9 | 9 | — | 43 | ||
Emma Seiberlich | Virginia | 6 | 6 | — | |||
Mykenzie Leehy | Houston | 6 | — | 6 | |||
Abby Richter | Virginia | 5 | 5 | — | 14 | ||
Alexis Yager | Tennessee | 5 | — | 5 | 5 | ||
Peyton Palsha | Arkansas | 5 | — | 5 | |||
Olivia Calegan | NC State | 4 | — | 4 | 7 | ||
Kyla Valls | Virginia | 4 | — | 4 | |||
Haley Yelle | Texas A&M | 3 | 3 | — | |||
Danielle Dellatorre | Georgia | 3 | — | 3 | 23 | ||
Amanda Nunan | Tennessee | 2 | — | 2 | 9 | ||
Taylor Petrak | Ohio State | 1.5 | — | 1.5 | |||
Morgan Friesen | Louisville | 0 | — | 11 | |||
Daria Pyshnenko | Michigan | 0 | — | 8.5 | |||
Caroline Hauder | UNC | 0 | — | 4 | |||
Erica Laning | Arizona State | 0 | — | 2 |
Standouts:
- Evie Pfeifer was obviously the biggest unranked name, scoring more individual points than anyone but Forde or Madden. When we ranked this group as juniors, she was 4:42.8 in the 500 free and 4:16.6 in the 400 IM. By her senior year, she cut to 4:39.4 and 4:12.8 and would definitely have improved her rank.
- Kentucky’s Bailey Bonnett scored in all three of her NCAA Championship meets. She was a true collegiate breakout, going from 1:01.9/2:13.8 as a high school junior recruit to 1:00.8/2:12.5 as a senior to 59.4/2:07.1 as a college freshman.
- Missouri’s Sarah Thompson probably would have ranked higher on this list had 2020 NCAAs not been cancelled. She was seeded to score 26 that year and scored 23 as a senior after not scoring her first two seasons.
- Arizona State’s Emma Nordin was in line for a massive scoring surge as a junior before the meet was canceled. ASU took a program-wide redshirt this season amid the pandemic, so there’s a possibility she adds to her scoring total next year.
INTERNATIONAL
Name | College Team | Total NCAA Points | 2018 NCAA Points | 2019 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Points | 2021 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Psych Sheet Points |
Robin Neumann | Cal | 51 | 16 | 14 | — | 21 | 4 |
Mackenzie Padington | Minnesota | 37 | 5 | 32 | — | ||
Jing Quah | Texas A&M | 17 | 11 | — | 6 | 9 | |
Reka Gyorgy | Virginia Tech | 16 | 16 | ||||
Calypso Sheridan | Northwestern | 15 | 15 | — | 44 | ||
Klara Thormalm | San Diego State | 15 | 9 | — | 6 | ||
Sarah Darcel | Cal | 12 | 12 | — | — | ||
Mariia Astashkina | Louisville | 12 | 12 | 0 | — | ||
Tamila Holub | NC State | 11 | 11 | 0 | — | ||
Olivia Anderson | Georgia | 7 | 7 | 2 | |||
Petra Halmai | FGCU | 6 | 6 | 7 | |||
Sonnele Oeztuerk | Auburn | 3 | 3 | 0 | — | ||
Ioanna Sacha | Houston | 3 | 3 | ||||
Tjasa Pintar | Tennessee | 2 | 2 | 3.5 | |||
Freya Rayner | Ohio State | 0 | 11 | ||||
Arina Openysheva | Louisville | 0 | 7 | ||||
Jemma Schlicht | USC | 0 | 1.5 | ||||
Flora Molnar | Alabama | 0 | 1 |
Standouts:
- This wasn’t a massive international class, perhaps diluted by the pandemic, with a number of scorers turning pro or taking redshirt seasons when international travel was difficult.
- Cal’s Robin Neumann was the every-year contributor, scoring 51 across four seasons and three NCAA meets.
- Minnesota’s Mackenzie Padington probably would have pushed towards Neumann’s scoring levels. She ramped up in a big way as a sophomore, rising to 32 points, but announced a transfer and then ultimately turned pro around the Olympic year.
- The biggest points loss in the 2020 cancelation was Calypso Sheridan, who was in line to score 44 for Northwestern.
Diving
Name | College Team | Total NCAA Points | 2018 NCAA Points | 2019 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Points | 2021 NCAA Points |
Brooke Schultz | Arkansas | 82 | 29 | 32 | — | 21 |
Delaney Schnell | Arizona | 76.5 | 13 | 31.5 | — | 32 |
Emily Bretscher | Purdue | 39 | 14 | — | 25 | |
Charlye Campbell | Texas A&M | 24 | — | 24 | ||
Abigail Knapton | Nebraska | 22 | — | 22 | ||
Cami Hidalgo | Georgia Tech | 22 | — | 22 | ||
Alicia Blagg | Miami | 19 | 19 | — | ||
Frida Kaellgren | Arizona State | 14 | 14 | — | ||
Ashley McCool | Florida | 11 | — | 11 | ||
Christy Cutshaw | Michigan | 7 | 7 | — | ||
Mya Kraeger | Indiana | 4 | 4 | — | ||
Genevieve Angerame | Ohio State | 2 | 2 | — | ||
Kelly Straub | Notre Dame | 1 | — | 1 | ||
Maha Amer | Arkansas | 1 | 1 | — |
Standouts:
- Brooke Schultz was an individual NCAA champ for Arkansas, and divers actually accounted for two of the top five individual scorers in the class. That included Arizona’s Delaney Schnell.
- A huge portion of this class’s diving points came in 2021 as seniors.
ALL INDIVIDUAL SCORERS IN THE CLASS:
(Ranked recruits are listed with their 2014 rank. International recruits are listed with “INTL” and unranked recruits with “UNR.” Diving recruits are listed with “DIVE”)
Final Rank | 2017 Rank | Name | College Team | Total NCAA Points | 2018 NCAA Points | 2019 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Points | 2021 NCAA Points | 2020 NCAA Psych Sheet Points |
1 | 4 | Brooke Forde | Stanford | 104 | 21 | 43 | — | 40 | 42 |
2 | 18 | Paige Madden | Virginia | 98 | 0 | 38 | — | 60 | 44 |
3 | UNR | Evie Pfeifer | Texas | 87.5 | 23.5 | 16 | — | 48 | 1 |
4 | DIVE | Brooke Schultz | Arkansas | 82 | 29 | 32 | — | 21 | |
5 | DIVE | Delaney Schnell | Arizona | 76.5 | 13 | 31.5 | — | 32 | |
6 | 2 | Sierra Schmidt | Michigan | 57 | 9 | 17 | — | 31 | 21 |
7 | INTL | Robin Neumann | Cal | 51 | 16 | 14 | — | 21 | 4 |
8 | 16 | Anna Belousova | Texas A&M | 45 | 27 | 18 | — | — | |
9 | 1 | Courtney Harnish | Georgia | 44 | 7 | 15 | — | 22 | 38 |
10 | DIVE | Emily Bretscher | Purdue | 39 | 14 | — | 25 | ||
11 | INTL | Mackenzie Padington | Minnesota | 37 | 5 | 32 | — | ||
12 | UNR | Bailey Bonnett | Kentucky | 35 | 14 | 14 | — | 7 | 9 |
13 | UNR | Kate Moore | NC State | 29 | 2 | — | 27 | 15 | |
14 | UNR | Kristen Romano | Ohio State | 27 | 7 | 0 | — | 20 | |
15 | 9 | Taylor Pike | Texas A&M | 25.5 | 5 | 6 | — | 14.5 | 1 |
16 | DIVE | Charlye Campbell | Texas A&M | 24 | — | 24 | |||
17 | 6 | Lauren Pitzer | Stanford | 23 | 1 | 22 | — | no invite | 5 |
17 | UNR | Sarah Thompson | Missouri | 23 | — | 23 | 26 | ||
19 | DIVE | Cami Hidalgo | Georgia Tech | 22 | — | 22 | |||
19 | DIVE | Abigail Knapton | Nebraska | 22 | — | 22 | |||
21 | UNR | Camryn Toney | Texas A&M | 19 | — | 19 | |||
21 | DIVE | Alicia Blagg | Miami | 19 | 19 | — | |||
23 | UNR | Maddie Smith | Northwestern | 18 | — | 18 | |||
24 | INTL | Jing Quah | Texas A&M | 17 | 11 | — | 6 | 9 | |
25 | INTL | Reka Gyorgy | Virginia Tech | 16 | — | 16 | |||
25 | UNR | Julia Poole | NC State | 16 | 3 | — | 13 | 5 | |
25 | UNR | Katie Trace | Ohio State | 16 | 3 | — | 13 | ||
28 | UNR | Josie Grote | Indiana | 15 | — | 15 | |||
28 | INTL | Klara Thormalm | San Diego State | 15 | 9 | — | 6 | ||
28 | INTL | Calypso Sheridan | Northwestern | 15 | 15 | — | 44 | ||
31 | DIVE | Frida Kaellgren | Arizona State | 14 | 14 | — | |||
32 | INTL | Sarah Darcel | Cal | 12 | 12 | — | — | ||
32 | INTL | Mariia Astashkina | Louisville | 12 | 12 | 0 | — | ||
34 | UNR | Sophie Angus | Northwestern | 11 | — | 11 | 6 | ||
34 | UNR | Caroline Gmelich | Virginia | 11 | — | 11 | 3 | ||
34 | DIVE | Ashley McCool | Florida | 11 | — | 11 | |||
34 | UNR | Autumn Haebig | Nebraska | 11 | — | 11 | |||
34 | INTL | Tamila Holub | NC State | 11 | 11 | 0 | — | ||
39 | 3 | Margaret Aroesty | USC | 9 | 9 | 0 | — | no invite | |
39 | UNR | Emma Nordin | Arizona State | 9 | 9 | — | 43 | ||
41 | 10 | Grace Zhao | Stanford | 7 | 5 | 2 | — | no invite | no invite |
41 | INTL | Olivia Anderson | Georgia | 7 | — | 7 | 2 | ||
41 | DIVE | Christy Cutshaw | Michigan | 7 | 7 | — | |||
44 | INTL | Petra Halmai | FGCU | 6 | — | 6 | 7 | ||
44 | UNR | Mykenzie Leehy | Houston | 6 | — | 6 | |||
44 | UNR | Emma Seiberlich | Virginia | 6 | 6 | — | |||
47 | UNR | Alexis Yager | Tennessee | 5 | — | 5 | 5 | ||
47 | UNR | Peyton Palsha | Arkansas | 5 | — | 5 | |||
47 | UNR | Abby Richter | Virginia | 5 | 5 | — | 14 | ||
50 | UNR | Olivia Calegan | NC State | 4 | — | 4 | 7 | ||
50 | UNR | Kyla Valls | Virginia | 4 | — | 4 | |||
50 | DIVE | Mya Kraeger | Indiana | 4 | 4 | — | |||
53 | UNR | Danielle Dellatorre | Georgia | 3 | — | 3 | 23 | ||
53 | INTL | Ioanna Sacha | Houston | 3 | — | 3 | |||
53 | 5 | Nikol Popov | Tennessee | 3 | no invite | 3 | — | 0 | |
53 | UNR | Haley Yelle | Texas A&M | 3 | 3 | — | |||
53 | INTL | Sonnele Oeztuerk | Auburn | 3 | 3 | 0 | — | ||
58 | UNR | Amanda Nunan | Tennessee | 2 | — | 2 | 9 | ||
58 | INTL | Tjasa Pintar | Tennessee | 2 | — | 2 | 3.5 | ||
58 | DIVE | Genevieve Angerame | Ohio State | 2 | 2 | — | |||
61 | UNR | Taylor Petrak | Ohio State | 1.5 | — | 1.5 | |||
62 | DIVE | Kelly Straub | Notre Dame | 1 | — | 1 | |||
62 | DIVE | Maha Amer | Arkansas | 1 | 1 | — | |||
64 | UNR | Morgan Friesen | Louisville | 0 | — | 11 | |||
64 | INTL | Freya Rayner | Ohio State | 0 | — | 11 | |||
64 | UNR | Daria Pyshnenko | Michigan | 0 | — | 8.5 | |||
64 | INTL | Arina Openysheva | Louisville | 0 | — | 7 | |||
64 | UNR | Caroline Hauder | UNC | 0 | — | 4 | |||
64 | 13 | Marta Ciesla | USC | 0 | 0 | 0 | — | no invite | 3 |
64 | UNR | Erica Laning | Arizona State | 0 | — | 2 | |||
64 | INTL | Jemma Schlicht | USC | 0 | — | 1.5 | |||
64 | INTL | Flora Molnar | Alabama | 0 | — | 1 |
BONUS: THE SUPER-SENIORS
We usually like to run through the top seniors who don’t technically fit with this class. This year, the main one is Sarah Bacon, Minnesota’s three-time NCAA champion diver who came into college with the class of 2016, but took a redshirt year in 2020.
Bacon finished with 135 individual points across four NCAA meets. She had one more NCAA meet than anyone in this class (or her own class of 2016), but even on a per-year basis, she would have outscored everyone in both classes except Forde, Louise Hansson, Asia Seidt and Beata Nelson. You can see that full class’s individual scoring here.
Archives: Revisiting Recruit Ranks
Analysis as of: | Spring 2021 | Spring 2020 | Spring 2019 | Spring 2018 | Spring 2017 |
Class of 2020 | After Freshman Year | ||||
Class of 2019 | After Sophomore Year | After Freshman Year | |||
Class of 2018 | After Junior Year | After Sophomore Year | After Freshman Year | ||
Class of 2017 | After Senior Year | After Junior Year | After Sophomore Year | After Freshman Year | |
Class of 2016 | After Senior Year | After Junior Year | |||
Class of 2015 | After Senior Year | ||||
Class of 2014 | After Senior Year | ||||
Class of 2013 | After Senior Year |
Never before has there been journalism like this in our sport. Swimswam is a gift.
I personally would love to see this for D3 schools. As former d3 swimmer I’d be curious on a lot of levels but also because the nature of “what makes a good d3 recruit” is more complicated because sometimes the very very fastest d3 recruits are doing it expressly because swimming isn’t a top priority. Whereas a lot of top talent in d3 is people who just joined the sport late and had mediocre HS time but blew up in college. Andrew Wilson being a comically extreme example but there are many others. I’d be fascinated to see if that hypothesis is borne out and… Read more »
Seems like a big miss for Stanford’s class. Just wondering, has Meehan developed other top recruits outside of National team members like Ledecky, Manuel, etc?
It might feel that way.. but I’m currently working on our revisit of recruiting class rankings, and you might be surprised how high this Stanford class ranks in overall scoring. (Stay tuned tomorrow!)
Dirado went from in the tier of making National Teams but not much else to individual gold medalist.
Drabot went from someone who may have snuck onto an Olympic team as a relay freestyler to medal contender in 200 Fly.
There are others.
Unless I’m reading it incorrectly, it seems as though 10 of the 20 top recruits didn’t score at NCAAs individually. What does that tell you?
typo on the write up? it says two…
there is something wrong with coaches on the college level if the result is such a crap shoot with swimmer who really can swim or their previous coaches used wrong methods to get those times and in college it is just “hospice care” as swimmers are just too beat up to have anything more in the tank to take next step.
Developing talent is more important than recruiting it? I’d be interest to see what the conversation rate is on the next 20 swimmers and then the next 20 swimmers etc.
The other thing is coaches should focus more on identifying recruits that are underdeveloped as opposed to kids that have been doing double workouts for the last 5 years.
I would say that this is very true on the mens side and why Texas has been so successful. Eddie has been pulling in every guy over 6’2” who can swim fast enough to not get lapped in practice too often and turning them into very fast swimmers. Shebat and licon weren’t top tier recruits but they turned into huge scorers.
That it’s hard to score at the NCAA Championships?
Seriously. 10 of the top 20 high school juniors eventually scored individually at NCAAs. 25 of the other ~1500 Division I swimmers in the class scored individually. So which group do you think has better scoring odds when college coaches are recruiting? Would you rather buy a high-end stock or a lotto ticket?
I thought Kukurugya would have been a lot better in yards. Also, surprised at Regan Barney she did well at juniors long course always and short in high school
RE: Regan Barney, while I think it’s definitely possible to be really fast at an Ivy League school (we’ve seen plenty of it), I think the reality is that you really have to want to be fast to make it happen, and I think a higher-than-average number of swimmers who commit to Ivy League schools are just doing it to get in to an Ivy League school.
While many may swim out their years, go to practice, do their work, I don’t know if all of them are committing with the intention of pursuing their peak swimming performance while there.
Yeah I get that, but she had a lot of potential especially in the big pool.
Steve Bultman continues to demonstrate his ability to develop athletes: 5 of the top 25 individual scorers in this class are from Texas A&M. They have more than any other school on this list. Well done, Steve, Tanica, and Jay!
It would be cool to see how each of these recruits would have placed in the team standings based on their points scored across their NCAA careers.
Somehow you need to figure in relay points. Yes I know that if done straight up that swimmers at the top schools get an advantage, but it’s also harder for them to make relays. Relays are such a huge part of NCAA, it just cant be ignored.
Also I thought that relay impact was included in how you ranked a swimmer anyway.
Man that USC class is a little rough. Only 9 points among the #3, #13, and #14 recruits, and zero points after their freshman years. Any reason USC is seemingly struggling?
probably going to get downvoted for this but the culture at USC is very different for lack of a better term, it can be a super fun campus but they have some interesting traditions that arent for everybody. For some people it works but for others it doesn’t.
I think there’s an argument that Salo’s training paid off at the beginning of a career but was hard to maintain, particularly for the women’s team. Plus, with some exceptions, it seems like they tapered best for the UCLA dual meet and PAC 12s. And, lastly, I worry that Kipp coming in changed a lot for this team and will take a few years to develop his own swimmers like he was starting to do at Northwestern.
None of these ladies were that disappointing, they just never put it together at NCAAs. Aroesty’s freshman year was very impressive (especially at that Pac 12 vs Pros event), but she never tapered well and fell off a bit of a cliff… Read more »
Coaching change is the obvious excuse. My theory is you have to keep the swimmers engaged in the program year round. If your entire teams splits and leaves campus in Mid May then you aren’t ever going to be a top tier school. So if you want to see USC improving look at the summer meets in Socal and see how many of the Trojans are sticking around and competing.
I remember listening to a Soni interview a while back that Salo training can be extremely hard to adapt to and puts a lot of ownership on the swimmer giving 100% effort how Salo needs. Soni coming from a high-volume program said that it was a big adjustment and after she was frustrated one season, Dave sat her down and laid out that she was not buying-in fully – which then led to the Soni we know. My hypothesis is that for a lot of high-volume high school athletes, the first year with Salo can be like a year of taper then they struggle to get their base back and adapt.
Also a probably non-zero factor is that environment of LA is very different than that of a more college town area.
In podcast Doebler just said she has not been to LA proper yet, altho Covid times being in LA does mean LA lifestyle
Kantika Houzzo said similar things about it being hard to adapt to coming from her high volume program in Hungary.
I wonder how much athletes consider training styles in choosing a school, and how much resource or expertise is available to help them in that.
It rarely comes up with recruits I speak to, and when it does, it’s usually a more emotional response – “I’m ready to do more work” or “my coach says they don’t work hard enough.”
I think a great area of study for the Counsilman Center or similar would be looking at these inflection points and transitions of training programs and help club and college coaches figure out how that interplay works. Could result in better overall outcomes for student-athletes in terms of both performance and satisfaction with their college swimming experience.
Part of the problem with that though is you may go to a school that you think is perfect in terms of academics, school culture, team culture, and training style, but then there’s a coaching change and the training style completely shifts. Do you follow the coach who’s training style you liked or stay at the school that was a good fit academically/culturally?
When I was being recruited I was told not to go to a school specifically for a coach because of the possibility of coaching changes. Granted I wasn’t being recruited by the powerhouses like Texas, Cal, or NC State that have had the same coach for years – I think those top tier athletes have an easier… Read more »
It won’t get better with the Hs athletes and college coaches making even earlier decisions!