You are working on Staging2

2024-25 NCAA Digest: A Season Opening Mailbag – Who Will Win Men’s DI NCAAs?

This is an opinion piece and may not reflect the views of SwimSwam as a whole.

FDOC, syllabus week, it all means one thing: collegiate swimming is back. It’s been a busy Olympic summer and we still have the Paralympics, but I must say, I did miss the NCAA. And since the season has barely started, it seemed fitting to do a mailbag–a digestif if you will–for the first weekly NCAA digest of the 2024-25 season.

Thank you to everyone who sent in questions, they were great and I answered as many as I could. We’ll likely do another mailbag mid-season, so hang onto your question if I didn’t get to it and if you think of any fun or interesting questions, save them!

Without further ado, let’s get started.

Will the NCAA ever swim the 50s of stroke at big meets? The D3 NESCAC already does it. Will there ever be a 1000 in championship meets?

We received a few different versions of the stroke 50s question, and for simplicity’s sake, we’re combining it with the 1000 freestyle question. The short answer, in my opinion, is no to both, even though I like the idea of making distance swimmers more valuable in the NCAA format.

The 1000 freestyle is a championship event at the DII NCAA Championships, and while it’s still on offer at the men’s Ivy League Championships, the women’s meet phased it out this year. Division I conferences getting rid of the event at their championships doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that the NCAA will turn around and add it to the big show.

Adding events also brings up scheduling talk. The NESCAC swims all the stroke 50s on Day 2 of their four-day meet schedule, along with the 500 free/200 IM/50 free. In Division II, they run a five-day schedule that has one relay a day, the 1000 free on the first day of individual events, and have avoided the 100 fly/100 back double. If you’ve never seen it before, it looks similar to SECs.

However, scheduling is only one layer of the discussion when adding events. Adding all three stroke 50s, and even just the 1000 free, would likely change the maximum number of events each swimmer could race at NCAAs. Decisions would have to be made about whether adding events would affect championship roster size or the number of invited swimmers, which in turn could change the cut times. Maybe adding these events wouldn’t bring in many new individual qualifiers, but the plans would still need to be in place. And based on the current landscape of collegiate swimming, I don’t think there’s much desire to make NCAAs a bigger meet.

If we’re going to see a schedule change, it’s more likely going to be swapping the 100 fly and 400 IM on Day 3. In theory, this would make it easier for swimmers to pull the 100 fly/100 back double. The NCAA committee is “[seeking] additional feedback” before making a final decision on this potential change, which was proposed at the NCAA Division I Men’s and Women’s Swimming & Diving Committee’s April meeting.

NCAA men’s champs this year?

We haven’t done our first power rankings of the season yet, but I’ll tell you there are a lot of SwimSwam writers high on Indiana this year, myself included. They’re bringing in a killer transfer class, they have valuable fifth-years returning, and one of the best diving programs in the NCAA. With transfers like Matt King, Owen McDonald, Zalan Sarkany, and Brian Benzing coming in, they’re not just getting deeper, they’re also addressing some of the holes in their roster. It feels like this is their moment.

Winning won’t be easy though. Cal will be as strong as they always are, and they just got a huge boost with Destin Lasco returning for his fifth year. Adam Chaney is back for Florida too, and the Gators threatened Cal for #2 last year before a costly relay DQ. The Gators have had at least one major issue at the last two NCAAs, but if everything goes their way, they could challenge for the title.

Then, of course, there’s the question of how fast Bob Bowman can put it all together in Austin. The Longhorns were missing some key pieces last season, but Luke Hobson was a highlight, and Will Modglin had a strong freshman season. Add in Hubert Kos, the #2 recruit in the class of 2024 Cooper Lucas, and the transfer talent Bowman has attracted like Aaron Shackell, Rex Maurer, Michael Cotter, and DII champion Ben Sampson, and even if this isn’t their year they sure are going to make themselves a problem for everyone else.

I haven’t had to lock anything in yet, but right now, Indiana, Cal, Florida, and Texas are my top four (order written in very light pencil.)

Is the fifth year just a COVID thing?

Yes, the fifth year of eligibility was given to all winter sport athletes who competed in the 2020-21 NCAA season. So, the undergraduate class of 2024 are the last swimmers eligible. Redshirting is still a possibility, but that’s a different thing.

The fifth-year was available for students from all divisions, so like last year, we’ve seen some swimmers make a divisional move. This includes Sampson to Texas from DII Colorado Mesa, and CMS DIII champion Frank Applebaum to Cal.

What schools will be affected by the House settlement? How many swim teams will be lost because of the House vs. NCAA ruling? When will be Big 10 and SEC finalize proposed roster limits? What does the House settlement mean for recruiting? Is there a way to convince the NCAA to taper roster restrictions? 

Understandably, there were lots of questions about the House settlement and how it’s going to affect NCAA swimming. That’s something that we’re all figuring out together in real-time as the settlement has not yet been finalized (Judge Claudia Wilken is expected to review the proposed settlement in early September).

Broadly speaking, the House settlement will send billions in NIL backpay to college athletes and allow athletes to share revenue with their schools. The cost of all this is expected to be more than $30 million a year for some top programs.

As for what schools will be affected, on some level, all of them will. When the President of Ohio State, which has one of the richest athletic departments in the country, says that some varsity clubs “…may start to act a little bit more like a club sport,” it’s clear that the effects of the settlement will be felt everywhere, even if non-Power 5 schools feel the effects more heavily. Right now, it’s hard to say exactly how many swim teams will be lost because of the ruling, but it won’t be zero.

An approved settlement means the current scholarship limits would be eliminated in favor of roster limits. Schools will be allowed to offer as many scholarships per team as allowed by the roster limits, which stands at 30 right now for men’s and women’s swimming, based on the detailed settlement terms filed in July.

Per the detailed settlement terms, roster limits would go into effect for the 2025-26 season. There won’t be much, if any, wiggle room for that as schools will be legally bound by the terms of the settlement. Conferences will likely make their plans official soon after the settlement is finalized as programs will need that information for things like recruitment. Roster limits will affect recruitment class size, and if swimming programs are cut, there will be more competition for each roster spot.

Again, the settlement still needs to be finalized and the final terms are going to dictate what happens next. In addition, schools are also waiting to hear about how Title IX may play into parts of the settlement like revenue sharing or available scholarships.

In This Story

50
Leave a Reply

Subscribe
Notify of

50 Comments
newest
oldest most voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
James Beam
2 months ago

Indiana has closed the swimming gap at NCAA’s- I believe Cal and Florida will still score more points than the Hoosiers….not as much as last year though…the difference will be diving. Nobody can out-dive Indiana this year at NCAA’s – and that will be the difference. Will be a very exciting meet to watch.

Swimswammmmmmmmmm
2 months ago

So excited to see the NCAAs!!

mds
2 months ago

Rather than adding the 50s, I’d like to join men and women. ACC and SEC are great conference meets. Saves swimming budgets, too.

Swimcloud
2 months ago

What happened to Nick Mahabir, ik he got Epstein-Barr and was supposed to start at cal this fall but I have t seen anything on instagram for him unlike other members of his class

Go Bears
Reply to  Swimcloud
2 months ago

I was wondering the same. Military service?

This Guy
2 months ago

Are there any potential mid-year internationals that Bob may squeeze in over winter break?

(G)olden Bear
Reply to  This Guy
2 months ago

There is a BR/Sprint Free guy with another year of eligibility…

bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  (G)olden Bear
2 months ago

Caspar’s coming back?

Swim Dad
2 months ago

Let’s not forget Olympian David Johnston and 5th year Coby Carrozza returning to Texas as well……

Polarbear / D3er
2 months ago

Sophie is too young to remember the old New England (combined NESCAC, NEWMAC, D2’s, etc) lineup. It changed to mirror the NCAA lineup and didnt adjust when NCAAs went to 4 days a couple of years ago. The old lineup missed a lot of the doubles — 100 fly / bk, 100 fly / 200 free, moved the 50 fly to day 2 for the pure sprinters to do 50/100 free and 50 fly. It was a better lineup.

Out of order, but –
Day 1
50BR
50FR
500FR
200BK
100FL
200IM

Day 2
100BR
50FL
400IM
100BK

Day 3
100FR
200BR
200FL
100IM
100FR
50BR
1650

1650 Onetrick
Reply to  Polarbear / D3er
2 months ago

imo a lot of the doubles it introduces are terrible and not that uncommon:

50BR/50FR
200BK/200IM
200IM/100FL
100FR/100IM

Polarbear / D3er
Reply to  1650 Onetrick
2 months ago

They are common today because of people avoiding the other doubles. 50 fly is FAR more often the third event than 50BR. It allows the power flyers to go 50/100 fly, 100 free instead of going up to the IM, and if they are more distance fly they could go 100FL, 100BK, 200BK. It allows 200FL, 200BK and 400IM.

Trust me — it worked much better

Polarbear / D3er
Reply to  Polarbear / D3er
2 months ago

i left 200fr out of day 2

Grant Drukker
2 months ago

Early hot take, but also not that hot of a take.. Cal men break 6:00 minute this year in the 800 free relay.
Have the entire team returning, plus Mewen Tomac and Nans Mazellier who both swam 147.7; 147.3 in the LCM 200’s. Plus Alexy learned how to swim the 200 free as the meet went on last year.

Haha
Reply to  Grant Drukker
2 months ago

They will lose to Texas

Justin Pollard
Reply to  Haha
2 months ago

Lol, no they won’t

Jimbo
Reply to  Grant Drukker
2 months ago

May need to break 6:00 to win as Texas returns all 4 and adds Mauer and Shackell.

Was hoping to spread Carson Foster return rumors, just for fun, but had nothing to work with, maybe photoshop some wedding pictures or something…

Grant Drukker
Reply to  Jimbo
2 months ago

those additions don’t seem to be able to have Texas drop 5+ seconds

Jimbo
Reply to  Grant Drukker
2 months ago

Maybe, maybe not. It would be hard to break 6 without someone pushing.

bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  Grant Drukker
2 months ago

Luke has been 1:28.8 flat start and Coby has been 1:30 flying start. I think those two are guaranteed.

Then it’s between Shackell, Maurer, and Cotter. Shackell was 1:32 out of high school and the other two guys have been 1:33 out of high school.

I think they have a higher ceiling compared to Cal right now, as I would say Alexy is the only one capable of making a big drop from his split on this past year’s relay. Also, the 4th guy isn’t certain and will likely need to be a 1:30 to keep the rest of the team close to 6:00. Like I don’t think either team can risk a 1:31 and still be under 6:00.

But… Read more »

Caleb
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

Kos in the mix

bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  Caleb
2 months ago

I mean, shoot. Then Germonprez, Taylor, and Lucas are all in the mix too. My four prior to the season are Hobson/Maurer/Shackell/Carrozza, in that order. This will be the best middle distance training group that I think we’ve ever seen.

Justin Pollard
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

And they’ll lose to Cal in this relay 😂 Hard to be the best, then get second place. Though I guess you can be the best “training” group and not win. Also Alexy isn’t mid-D, so maybe that means the training group at Cal has fewer than Texas, and is thus not as good.

Last edited 2 months ago by Justin Pollard
Justin Pollard
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

Texas isn’t going under 6:00 and they won’t be at Cal. Coby has been 1:30 once in his career right? He was 1:31.3 last year, so it’s at least up in the air whether he can split 1:30 again. Shackell/Maurer/Cotter might be able to, but it’s far from certain.

Cal probably isn’t going under 6:00 either, but they will beat Texas. Cal has 2 guys that will likely be under 1:30, cause they were last year either on the relay or from a flat start: Alexy & Lasco. Jett was 1:30.3 last year to lead off, and has been 1:30 multiple times from a flat start, so he’s probably good for a 1:30 again. Those 3 alone will average under… Read more »

bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  Justin Pollard
2 months ago

I just want to list this out because it is so ridiculous.

Luke Hobson- 1:28.81
Leon Marchand- 1:28.97
Drew Kibler- 1:30.28
Shaine Casas- 1:30.59
Coby Carrozza- 1:31.97
Nate Germonprez- 1:32.25 (1:31.8 split)
Carson Foster- 1:32.29 (1:30.1 split)
Aaron Shackell- 1:32.58 (HS)
Rex Maurer- 1:33.54 (HS)
Hubi Kos- 1:33.59 (1:32.2 split)
Michael Cotter- 1:33.80 (HS)
Camden Taylor- 1:33.90
Manning Haskal- 1:34.47 (1:33.5 split)
Cooper Lucas- 1:34.69 (1:33.5 split)
Ben Sampson- 1:35.08
Spencer Aurnou Rhees- 1:35.7
Chase Kalisz- 1:36 PB (but has split 1:33.1 on Georgia’s relays before)

Will Modglin also has a 1:34.0 split to his name

I figure that between the college guys and… Read more »

bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

You gotta be nuts to think that Texas’ group won’t be the best training group in the country.

Justin Pollard
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

Oh you’re counting pros too. And that is fair.

Flint
Reply to  bobthebuilderrocks
2 months ago

huckaby

About Braden Keith

Braden Keith

Braden Keith is the Editor-in-Chief and a co-founder/co-owner of SwimSwam.com. He first got his feet wet by building The Swimmers' Circle beginning in January 2010, and now comes to SwimSwam to use that experience and help build a new leader in the sport of swimming. Aside from his life on the InterWet, …

Read More »